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Tuesday, August 4th 2015, 9:56am

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on Sunday I had the opportunity to go to melkbos 4x4 track and play with the tuna properly for the first time. first off I must say wow what a capable vehicle even in my in experienced hands the tuna just gave me so much confidence. the question I have is on the way to the moddergat and play area it is sand tracks which are quite twisty and can get very thick in some corners. before the start I let tyres down to 1.5bar and engaged HL.

I drove along without any problems but did almost get stuck once when I changed to second gear, I found that I had to drive mostly in 1st gear to get through with out any problems. being new to 4x4ing I was wondering is this the right approach or am I potentially damaging the vehicle by driving so far in 1st gear? my friend who came along in a ranger 3lt 4x4 said he did the entire track in low range 3rd gear so now im even more confused :wacko:

besides that question I have the tuna performed incredibly well only needing to use low range once to get over a big hill with lots of ruts. as my first outing I enjoyed getting out to walk the obstacles and check what potential dangers there are and I must say even my future wife was a bok getting out to scout and even walking thru the water to check wading depth. Melkbos track was a lot of fun and will def be back to fine tune some skills before hitting more serious trails.

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Tuesday, August 4th 2015, 11:56am

Hi

put it in low range and use it 1 st 2nd 3rd no worries.
think you can deflate the tires some more to about 1.2 bar

we did 3 provinces and I never went out of low range.
when you go on gravel roads HL


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Tuesday, August 4th 2015, 2:01pm

we did 3 provinces and I never went out of low range.
when you go on gravel roads HL


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Want to go and do it again but this time in the dry
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Tuesday, August 4th 2015, 4:18pm

I think that especially with the manuals you must be very careful when changing gears in sand.
A bit too much foot on the pedal will make it dig and then get the feeling that you are getting stuck.
You must also make sure that you have enough momentum when changing to the next gear.

First gear all the way in the sand is not bad, depending on what speed you want to do.
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Tuesday, August 4th 2015, 6:08pm

Thanks for the advice guys going to head back this weekend and play a bit will go in low range this time. Want to practice control going up the obstacles and also get used to the vehicle moving over the obstacles especially the leaning!
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Tuesday, August 4th 2015, 6:30pm

You can drop the tyre pressure even more , 1.5 is to hard , I go down to 0.8 to 0.6 at Brakkeduine and drive mostly in 3 low.

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Tuesday, August 4th 2015, 7:49pm

Thanks tony i will do that. With that low pressure does one have to be careful of turning to sharp or quickly and potentially rolling a tyre off the rim?
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Wednesday, August 5th 2015, 1:56pm

Definitely use low range! For Melkbos 1.0 to 1.3bar is fine. Atlantis you can go to 0.8bar
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Wednesday, August 5th 2015, 5:26pm

I also go down to 0.8 bar even when driving Fundi challenge - at 0.6 you need to be careful of turning to quickly but also remember it depends on the tyres - in general tyres with a higher ply sidewall you can deflate more and will not de-beat as easy as a tyre with less side wall strength
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Wednesday, August 5th 2015, 9:34pm

True , different tyres handle differently under low pressures . I de beaded a wrangler once on .6 bar where my Coopers and Conti had now problems. I normally start on .6 early in the morning but by 10 or 11 when it is warmer the pressure raised to .8 to .9 anyway.

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Thursday, August 6th 2015, 2:35pm

I do not have much experience but did a couple of trips next to Namakwa coast, Moz and did the Death Acre in Angola with the Voetspore guys to name a few. As far as I know you never use low range on sand as this is a sure way to get stuck. I do not even go to HL as you do not need central diff for sand. The standard 4WL capability of the vehicle should be enough. I would however suggest that you disable the TC/VSC by pressing and holding the VSC button untill both the skid light and the VSC OFF light comes on. If you leave this on the vehicle will detect skidding and reduce engine power that could cause you to loose momentum to get stuck. The trick with sand is low tyre pressure (1.2Bar) and momentum. Unfortunately high revs are the way to go and take your foot of the clutch and brake. As soon as you touch one of those pedals you are stuck. Dont worry about braking, the sand will brake you :D

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Thursday, August 6th 2015, 2:49pm

Thanks Stekel interesting feedback, im going again this weekend and am going to try lw as in hl I could get into 2nd gear as the road very twisty and in 1st just felt like I was potentially putting the engine under strain...
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I do not have much experience but did a couple of trips next to Namakwa coast, Moz and did the Death Acre in Angola with the Voetspore guys to name a few.


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Thursday, August 6th 2015, 3:56pm

It was tongue in cheek, reg Stekel.Now we have a celebrity on this forum. If we watch voetspore we will see who you are.

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Thursday, August 6th 2015, 4:17pm

You definitely use low range on tracks such as Melkbos and Atlantis.... it has lots of twisty bits, sharp inlcines where you cannot build up momentum etc. Your clutch etc will take a lot of strain if you do not use low range!

High range you can use if you have to go up a steep dune and have enough track to build up sufficient momentum or driving long flat sections of sand. Low range plus difflock can be used when you have little space to gain momentum and contains some axle twisters. Using difflock in the twisty bits will pushthe nose wide.
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I do not have much experience but did a couple of trips next to Namakwa coast, Moz and did the Death Acre in Angola with the Voetspore guys to name a few. As far as I know you never use low range on sand as this is a sure way to get stuck. I do not even go to HL as you do not need central diff for sand. The standard 4WL capability of the vehicle should be enough. I would however suggest that you disable the TC/VSC by pressing and holding the VSC button untill both the skid light and the VSC OFF light comes on. If you leave this on the vehicle will detect skidding and reduce engine power that could cause you to loose momentum to get stuck. The trick with sand is low tyre pressure (1.2Bar) and momentum. Unfortunately high revs are the way to go and take your foot of the clutch and brake. As soon as you touch one of those pedals you are stuck. Dont worry about braking, the sand will brake you :D


Personally I don't prefer 4H as the TC will reactivate over a specific speed and will stop the vehicle if there is any wheelspin - have seeing this with a FJ Cruiser - If you can pull the fuse yes then 4H would be great,
But I have experienced in Mozambique with the trailer through deep sand.... 4L second gear work the best with my tyres around 0.7 bar
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TC will not reactivate if you hold it in for more than 3 sec.
If it is just pressed once I think it enable again if you go over 50km/h
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Friday, August 7th 2015, 6:58am

It was tongue in cheek, reg Stekel.Now we have a celebrity on this forum. If we watch voetspore we will see who you are.


HAHA, no I will not be on tv (if got a face for radio :D ), we went on a tour with them that was done by live the journey. This was not for the show, just for fun

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Friday, August 7th 2015, 7:01am

TC will not reactivate if you hold it in for more than 3 sec.
If it is just pressed once I think it enable again if you go over 50km/h


This is correct. IF you press the VSC button once, the skid light will come on and the TC will be disabled for speeds under 50km/h. IF you press and hold this button the VSC OFF light comes on and this will disable the TC for all speeds.

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